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[francoboc]

Good night.
In this forum I am keeping a diary in which the evolution of two story torzuelos Harris, and one of them is depriving me sleep lately. I took it with 10 months of age, and most of that time had passed in mute harris side by side which is also with me and never touched him (I thought convenirte clarify this).
What I ask now I've done it in the newspaper but only got one response, so I decided to repeat the question at hand to see if I have more luck.
The issue is that I have spent three weeks with the birds and one of them (which I have dedicated my 100%) is very unfriendly to my caresses. Not that he lacks PLACEA glove or just because the glove up to show a little leap, even has to sleep in it. Guarantor already flying several meters and the response is very good to me while I run continues until she reaches the glove, so in about a week I would encourage me to fly loose. But it puzzles me that no longer play. I approached the hand and stretch the neck back, just touching the left breast too every now and then, if you attempt to caress the wings or back the sting is safe. When shown a bit more docile while this is fun eating (if you're hungry).
So my question is or are: Am I doing something wrong? Is it normal for a harris resist both after three weeks? Could you change the situation if I subjected my fingers to peck?

[josejc2]

Francoboc Hello, I have no time to touch the birds and less in the back, a bird not a dog that likes to be petted. Each bird has its character, I think the only mistake you're making is to try to touch it, the bird feels threatened and the only thing coseguiras is what common people call putearlo. I would not give any importance to the issue, if you approach him with a hand whenever mollita, but do not try to play, and you will see how over time, with the management and the bird PLACEA lose the fear of your hand and stop sting . A greeting.

[francoboc]

Thank you very much José, has left me much more comfortable with his response.
From now on will try not to touch it much, just enough for management. I see the error committed was not only trying to pet him, but also to compare with the other torzuelo which is next to him and especially with my old harris, the what if "was a puppy." Nickel I could grab with both hands and place it on my lap, I could kiss, I could do anything, and now to meet this very shortly "loving" I was a little lost.

Once again, thank you Jose.

[Nayatri]

Hello,

I would not give much importance, I have the habit of groping my birds, as I see it unnecessary, I touch you need to manage, sometimes clothes in the car or in some situation, I rub his chest or his step hand over, but I have not got the habit, yet left to do everything and be touched by anyone, as I see this I think that comes with time, trust, the events that ...
They think they see it as negative if too much more if they do not like and the forces, know that many hours to cast their feathers because it is their livelihood to fly, cold ... and you screw up when you touch it. Although not, they see well. It's not like a dog that you might like. What for you may be something positive like a caress for may not be, and better accepted alomejor a sound or movement, as a reward or sign of affection, since for them the sight and sound is important, no, no I do not pay much attention.
I do not force him unless he wants you to touch, do not touch, the touch is not essential or necessary to fly or hunt, eventually arrived and before you know it, but it is too meek hands to my mind and do not think it's good if you do not want to exhibitions.

greetings

[coll]

I also did not give importance, but if you want to stop playing if I can say that it is important not to withdraw the hand when you release the pick, my owl is left playing solo for me, because I have confidence and know that you do not hand withdraws , but if you take it out into the street and they want to rub them and they snap the peak blows, and if this is not enough loose their peak, people hand away and he knows, than I think it has to do also the weight in this, because fat is more of these stories, when in weight only thinks about eating and going over everything else.
But I tell you I like to show your character because people are not so overwhelmed you hehe.
artist greetings

[francoboc]

As I was giving too much importance to something that most do not prioritize. As I mentioned once in the newspaper, maybe I was confusing with tame tame.
Nayatri, what you say that the fiddling to make them too tame birds had thought, and something that in my previous bird brought me some small problems, so it would not hurt that this is not so gentle with everyone , what happens is that I was seeing this as a failure on my part.
Coll, if a question of the birds show their character that makes it permanently. To say that no one who played and "bothered" to my old bird have been encouraged to touch this. He has earned my respect and do not want to pet him he will.

Thank you.

[jimenezstgo]

Now if I am having trouble understanding you, kisses you gave the bird to limit these zoophilia, hahaha, I have told you this before, have you wondered to want to touch, hear it on a whim, and you lose the job seriously are doing.

I'll tell you what I think, more than anything because I come qeu reading and of what little experience I have. When you shave a raptor, you open a portal to diferntes acostumbratrla to things or situations, it is something simple and basic. Then the big question, I intend for my bird, "I'm not going to run at the racetrack with my horse pulling the harrow."

And now a contradiction graan him, said, "to tame in fat taxes" and that this would take longer, and already a good looking Tiep solve it why the bird is not tame .. Greetings .-

[francoboc]

Let's see, I never characterize my way with words, indeed, I see myself understood me pretty hard, so I'll make an effort to clarify the situation Jimenez and ever since I got the birds you have been trying understand and help.

What do I do with birds?

Here the answer is divided into two. On the one hand Aukan, who is 100% of their conditions and who hope to get to catch many partridges. But it will get in the game does not mean they want to have like a shotgun with which only share field trips. I like interacting with animals as possible, and always had been physical contact as something that was part of that relationship (either touch, tickle, or why not a kiss? Depending on the animal that is). The other did not know that falconry is not used to stroke the bird, now is why. In short, I want a bird you enjoy my presence as much as I enjoy yours, and if we catch the two together even better.
And the other part of the answer includes Atos. He has his hands is very spoiled and difficult to maintain balance while walking worn on the wrist. For this reason I believe that achieving withstand a day of hunting, so what I intend to do with bringing a better quality of life as possible. And he does accept fully my touch, indeed, seem to seek to be on top of me. Every time I go to the move, the flies to me, or if I pass along to your bank and do not stop to "greet" emits a very short PIID.

With regard to my contradiction:
It is true that I said that the taming in fat, but I do not think weight has anything to do with the bird lets not play. If so, Atos you eat all you want and probably is way bigger than Aukan (I say probably because I never weighed, but only have it in the glove is confirmed) would have to be extremely Chúcaro, and the opposite happens. Moreover, I have understood that the birds become more aggressive when they are low in weight, not vice versa.

[dreamcatcher]

to see the birds are to be hunters and hunting companions waiting for the return of you. there are birds were leaving cate touch and others that do not support the echod and want to touch goes through our selfishness to the bird does not care if you play or not when estn low weight are usually more aggressive so you always have to respect that will be wild birds, I have the breast of yours that UNODA and firing of eight years if you stick your hand in det circumstances were, so that a drama do not you two the bird does not need to be cherished, three aa pon a bird that happen to work and care enough weight so that their psyche is not affected, I hope you do well but my single entity at the end you will have a bird standing for more than you've been through this process, which unfortunately only one opinion and let you think you lost tiempo.ojala is no and you go all that well but time will tell perooooo this

[elukihai]

I think the same, we accompany the bird but not humanize. will not help, only for our ego.

[coll]

Franco Well, I'm an apprentice like you, just log in if you served my comment, I have clear my bird in overweight can be a problem, fears and vices that can take and not whether to drop weight for flight is more focused and gives you so many laps at all, and the aggressiveness to squeeze out more, because it is that speaks to their presas.Para my ideal weight is the flight to learn and its management but I can not ask that we all in this peso.Estando fat if you have a dog before (I have a dog) is not able or look at me, but by weight the fly over without even looking at it, that's the influence I I see the weight, if not aggression will phobia or mania but in my case if it involves weight.
regards

[jimenezstgo]

I kept explaining that I do not understand, it sounds very dreamlike, that is like a dream of colors, despite being gregarious, I do not have that behavior to enjoy the company of others, are for convenience, and so I observed when prey are abundant tend to permaneser alone, for this reason, "believe" as much value your collaboration or aportea the time to get to a dam, cuandio the catch as you'll see the mesquina or want to take away from the you and blah, blah, blah.

With regard to the bird with problems in their legs, I have a very radical stance with respect to tem, which I will not expose in this website, nop I mean everyone has to agree with qeu `I think, but I have muxchos basics, but I think that those who oppose or humanized animals.

If your mission is to want to give a better quality of life, do not believe the aircraft may be able, as I digiste that your experience is that of a rookie. I've seen the video you show birds, I would say that burning material used in these hangers and banmcos not seem appropriate to me, say you like to socialize with tusanimales and the last thing you do is be with them sencible has landscaped a bank that moves him, and I guess it's over who has the defect, at least I nomto Quie are uncomfortable with a blizzard out there, HATE harris LOSS blizzards, I prefer a stand queel entering or leaving the discretion Yde new bl, bla blah.

That a bird is more aggrecan when shaving, sorry, but I think it is when you accept things more and if you're hungry hunting dogs and achieves its full potential discharge over the dam, and began to eat and you can not lift the arrimarte head, has a single thing in mind to eat eat eat, but if not hungry or salts weight off bother you till the butterflies.

With regard to the bird that is with distortion, I give you an example, when I picked up a gray to weigh and get some pictures, is like having the devil on your hands, but when I got a broken, the esmas docile animal, and delivered easier, but not ETA being gentle, being dependent, you're not listening vosel the bird. Asta dogs sedejan not normally a pig losabre pet and stay put till the finish sewing when they are cured or you cuddle up

Maybe others and yourself think different, but have hung up the subject and I have decided to exhibit, not a agreciones tomescomo, I told you excited about these other birds. A Abrazo .-

[jimenezstgo]

Dream, because delays in advising, that you have already been mentioned by many, these ruining the bird, I insist that you have little experience to implement any change in the traditional method. You read the report of the training of torzuelo Harris? grade on clean?

[dreamcatcher]

my advice is up friend Jimenes and hugs personally tamb

[francoboc]

Jimenez, his insistence and successful Dream, or rather their arguments.
While I acknowledge that I am very stubborn (like a mule) when I be right in something, it costs me nothing to arm twisting if the arguments of the other party make me think even a little. And if that stubbornness less jeopardizes the health of an animal. For this reason I should follow his advice and begin to tighten a little more Aukan and so use the traditional method.


In what is still strong with the position I have with Atos (of the problem in the feet.) Surely you are right also in this area, but ... here and give me harder to twist the arm to its position. But that story will be quieter than a day or two I is coming synthetic turf to send a request to Buenos Aires to settle in the new hangers.

Another thing, any errors committed or is about to commit is for my ignorance, not by bad intentions. That is why when I realized I was (or could be) wrong not hesitate a second to change my position.

And finally, I'll be honest, I thought more than once, "Jimenez is giving me this with a pipe each time he writes," although it is also true that never take it as aggression. I appreciate that you've done and I hope you keep doing it.

[Torto]

Francoboc Well, I tell you. I have a couple of peregrine and premium torzuelo parental imprinting. I'll explain the differences in character of both:
The female as I have said is parental upbringing and had to be tamed. It is more suspicious than the male surly and yet I can play it without any problems.
The male however, is much more docile and is very attached to me, and yet can not bear to touch it, only the chest and legs.
Conclusion, each bird, like people, have their character and their quirks and you have to understand and respect them. Of course it is not appropriate to handle the birds, is absolutely unnecessary and the only thing we get is the problem worse.
I think the relationship with a bird of prey is based on understanding and respect for the bird, and she will respond in the same way. If you do not like to be touched ... since he was not ready to play and that does not mean that the bird is not attached to us and does not meet our aspirations, it's just his character. In short I think it is absolutely unimportant detail. A greeting.

[coraline]

Francoboc hello. not for me to give advice because I am unainesperta on this but I fully understand the pajaro.si not like being touched does not like, because I also pick if I groped

[Torto]

Jejejeje ... A good example coraline, handling sometimes if it is against the will of the hackneyed is quite annoying. A greeting.