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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby virdz » 30 Jul 2010, 19:20

Beautiful cut into this video, in this case the least is whether grab or not, but the form of biting a bird that your design is not perfect for this, but well-run can do so without problem as it is . As I mentioned, I have not haughtiness flown by but I saw a couple of them hunting as well and that they can do well, they can and this video shows, like maybe a U.S. harris was not designed only for the quail but now Harry is with the bird that has hunted plus (he says it even more than I do with a cooper was designed in nature to the dam). Aplos deserved credit for!
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 30 Jul 2010, 20:16

Nyctea, as I think of you and that is why I answer as I answer with knowledge, or is that Americans are more falconers I !........... boy look is easier for a merlin hunting fast prey on the fly and open countryside to be very high, that a dam that although not fly so fast you make many twists and constantly seek the protection of vegetation. It appears that you do not know well to think marlin and employ them fly or that is what you're transmitting. To your knowledge these small falcons in their migration travel such vast distances that cross continents. I have been able to have even a copy ring who emigrated with federal Lusemburgo PR imajinate crossing distances. And an hour to tell me my property that starlings are faster and give you a lot of fighting ......... the fly by a simple churrete !.......... If until becazinas, swifts, shorebirds are also very migratirias birds and see them flying was tight when they have a merlin the tail.

To you what you get is you want me to see a merlin lacks the capacity, as if I did not know their capabilities !....... where I live and I see every year and not one but in droves.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 30 Jul 2010, 20:32

Virden, rather I meant by the nature of the bird since this is their favorite prey, not a vertical. I'm not saying one can or can not plumb the catch, but I think it would be more expecializado a merlin for this type of prey, a plumb or not and that's what I meant.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 30 Jul 2010, 20:52

A semeolbidaba, you You say that I treat you as a beginner, but to treat you as an expert falconer of merlin, we must have them and hunt with them. HAS HAD MANY MANY AND CAZASTES ?................

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 30 Jul 2010, 20:54

Retifica this message is for the friend Nyctea:

A semeolbidaba, you You say that I treat you as a beginner, but to treat you as an expert falconer of merlin, we must have them and hunt with them. HAS HAD MANY MANY AND CAZASTES ?................
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby dreamcatcher » 30 Jul 2010, 22:33

pco yodiria put a peace of the thing
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Zarza » 30 Jul 2010, 23:56

q not let this go to the personal x favor.
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby nyctea » 31 Jul 2010, 01:33

Ok churches for peace in the post will leave you to yours, continues to criticize each video and each story of someone who does not think like you, so you're happy. You've flown with merlin starlings sometime? seeing as you talk about this kind of game you having hunted in droves ... Tell churches, trained as a merlin for starlings?
We will let the teacher give us a monologue about falconry and other good falconry empapemosno Mr. churches.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 31 Jul 2010, 02:09

Nyctea after criticizing, in time you want to show you ha ha ha ............ goes to show you Americans !.....
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby nyctea » 31 Jul 2010, 10:59

because they do not answer the question about the starlings? Mr angry is being criticized after criticizing all users of this post?? OHHH
This reminds me of when compared to the red-tailed hawks with, here no one knew coach a red tail and all those who handle other types of bird that was not you drive your falconers were already bad, what happens is that this time the comparison is more meaningful and there is much difference existed between physical as the goshawk and the tail.
By the way, I'll give you your own medicine, the Sandpiper and bird video ... jejejeje only catch put videos when prey are escapes, when a video game is real ... it fails to pass all that merlin?
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Jose Luis Gagliardi » 31 Jul 2010, 16:50

Do not want to create controversy but always look for the bird preferences that you have to defend it tooth and nail not be objective on the subject.
I think the opinion valid comparisons on these issues are Solola of falconers who have flown and hunted with both completely wild prey species.
The opinion by speculation, fully devian bickering focus of the topic. I've seen hawking in many countries around the world, I have seen them hunting the same prey species and is not the same.
Hares in Espania is not the same as in USA or in Argentina or Mexico, the same goes for ducks, pigeons, partridges.
Focus their expertise on birds so that others can learn not nclinen to tastes and colors.
greetings and keep the issue higher up.
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby jjcanales2 » 31 Jul 2010, 18:07

A way of thinking and seeing that this issue has been sidetracked somewhat of its original spirit, I believe that we reconsider the issue again. In principle, this post was inter alia to examine the possibilities of the game poised for European species which has been used only merlin. I think many of us who sense that the solution may be poised to hunt species complex (Alauda and the like) that have traditionally hunted merlin, and seeing the great advantages of plumb in treatment, character, management other virtues in the field and want to know whether this species can · Physics "and a regular and realistic in falconry to hunt these species, since we know that the merlin with some limitations already mentioned is able (and there are people in Central Europe England that is dedicated to it, but be counted on the fingers of one hand.)
I believe that although the optimum, it is imperative that say only people who have flown the two species to hunt, but rather that people would think and realistic interest in solving doubts and paving of the way to others, I mean. Undertake the task of coaching a plumb or any other bird of prey to hunt can be as complex as that of the aforementioned European application requires a tremendous time and energy and these factors are limited to people who are going to prepare to use them . Therefore, the comments cast cheerfully frivolous or fanciful, really do nothing but are a lack of respect. Someone recently asked in the forum on the possibility of hunting with Harris magpies and other cheerfully answered them was simple, both males and females and that hundreds of them hunted. Of course, Harris magpies hunt, but any falconer to be considered seriously, it should be noted that the hunt in certain circumstances, especially since the car win-win situations, with inertia, at distances of between 10 and 40 meters in exposed and order to establish all that sort of details that separate reality from fantasy. If not so we can find a falconer novel, with his vest and gloves new, more moral and a female Torrebruno Harris 1 kg magpies lurking in the middle of an olive grove or a wasteland. This situation is a Descojonado the truth, but is a bitch for the protagonist and in my opinion is a lack of respect for the cause of it. In order that I mean that so far in this post I have not seen anyone tell us to hunt these species with the plumb has suffered much and that cost him much hard work and that it has begun with molted and chickens and has had to use, escapes to atrainarlos well and not lose faith in the persecution or wounds, and finally all the things that imply real falconry. Rather I see comments of the type that my bird has made flights of 20 minutes behind a lark, my merlin kill pigeons with one hand at 15 Km and stuff that can make exceptions lot of fun but do not teach, help or contribute anything for anyone who wants to face these kinds of fighters seriously. I believe that we hunt crows with Harris, but Harris did not catch our 1 km away in the sky, but rather ten / twenty yards of our car, we've hunted with aplomb and magpies falcons, but we suffered greatly for it and have insulted all who accompanied us and helped to do so, to their mothers and even once we have been about to hit them when they took ill the magpie, magpies who have hunted with hawks, but our hawks not walked the high road, passing through Chicote, then a putiferio, entered in a pine forest and ended up taking the Magpies to 100 meters high (because the magpies usually never fly as high among other things), but While they made a haul of 120 meters, taking the magpie to 10 meters above the ground and prayed for that launch is repeated and we were the happiest guys in the world, and finally all the people who seriously practicing falconry deserve that advice and views are from people who value the time we're going to spend it.
Of course we are aware that there are very meritorious exceptions but we know we have to try things that really can do not to spend our time in vain.
Well finally after this tremendous coñazo I gave you simply ask me to focus the issue again put aside extraordinary anecdotes, superpajaros and stuff and that people with experience in the game with aplomb species alluded to tell us his method. Finally, I want to saywithout having had experience with a Alauda APLO, I sense that the male could plumb take our larks, because I believe that with persistence and the lock her in the ground are very good defined. I have serious doubts that they can take the European lark but who knows? Perhaps someone is doing and want to tell here in this post? You are cautioned that only tells us that are caught with the Minga and takes half a dozen a day and that sort of thing, some will not let us believe.
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby nyctea » 31 Jul 2010, 18:49

I applaud you ... just focus this post again with wise words and is welcome to read someone so sitting with as good words.
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 31 Jul 2010, 19:10

Nyctea, and you answer the question of starlings to the merlin is easier to hunt in the open than Mozambique. In time, you did not contestastes my question regarding your experience with exmerejones, how and how much cazastes manejastes ?........

As for the actual catch videos, you understand it is not easy record and hunt with them at the same time. Many times you lose the shots and other emerging Vuena some but not complete. Also it is not easy to burn to a merlin in action as these because they are small and very fast is easy to lose focus.

The video of the beach and if you know a bit of falconry, you'll realize that this has a lot of defense in this case the lagoon. When I throw all the merlin beach, this quickly pulled to the protection of water. Then try to go out to frighten habierto field but nothing followed with the defense of water ow if it comes to image habierto field would have been otherwise. And on the launch of the bird bird, the merlin ago following the capture of vegetation. What happened was that after I turn off the camera to look after the telemertria, because once you catch it by hand carrying off and hides.

At the time, I have this video and a couple of photographs of royal hunting on the Capture of a winged dove. A and was by chance that I could record for walking to another type of game.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby nyctea » 31 Jul 2010, 22:19

My experience is very short, much better than yours, it is easy to recognize.
I am now asking you, have you hunted with merlin starlings or any other type of bird? Starlings because I can speak about them, work with them daily and I have made of the compound when upset, I have tested with all that exists, except with merlin, but I do try as falconers who have starlings in your area have tried it already and say it is very difficult to have a merlin hunting them regularly, as this is so for uncomplicated> churches.
Do you have any hunting with merlins video? when I talk about hunting with merlin is show me what I could see the hands of other falconers ... sets up non-stop after a bird that seeks to escape by flight ascending (Alauda), that is the merlin hunting, hunting falconers seeking truth, there centroeuropa esmerejoneros of traveling to Spain and England in search of hunting the lark, for that is to leverage the power increases, which has a merlin, the caz you show in the videos is done with aplomb and even hawks for taking risks to say something that for a merlin is a breeze. I've seen fist merlins leave after a lark and having to pull telemetry to see where it goes high launch that have been lost to the human eye and binoculars, it could not be more tax and I would not be losing the essence of the set to bring a camera in hand to be showing people what I've seen.
I know for merlin has always talked about going to the dam Queen, lark or Lark, ascendetes flights, if a merlin gets in dams that are enclosed for my lost the essence, but I prefer to see these merlins of Experienced falconers hand to prove myself without knowing for certain what will get.
Well today my first poised to shut the larks, is very new and up again was distracted with a high flying Magpies. It is a chicken that only has 4 actual catches, you can not ask more for a flight of this caliber such as the crested lark.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby dreamcatcher » 01 Aug 2010, 01:05

Nyctea poised to focus on that friend keep to the left hugs t
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby jjcanales2 » 01 Aug 2010, 01:12

Nyctea me if I had one that was locked and could catch the larks would always escape. You've got it hard, if it holds when you take him back or even drop a machine exhaust and I think you will get to hunt, be the first to do so is our country and encouraging that we have in mind these things them. We already ocntarás
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby Iglesias » 01 Aug 2010, 02:53

well here is no lark, starlings are barely even know where to find one. by the shape and style of flying starlings are ideal for merlins and come back and I repeat that if it is flying a breeze for a merlin. Here the highest long flights and bottom that I have made the merlins are like 150 ao 100 mts mts, 300 mts from persecution to 1000 km depending on the prey saucepan. Factor also has much of the land and they have altitude flights have to be in areas totally aviertos and clean so that the barrier is forced to rise. But when the terrain has a lot of defense and the merlin the click to tail, whether dams doves, Alauda, pigeons etc ..... fly short distances. There may be flights chases birds 20 meters to 150 meters away at most. And flights of persecution of doves, pigeons and cholitos etc ....... from 200, 300, 500 have even more than 1000. meters away, depending on how tight they are in pursuit. So you see short scenes when the case and it is not always carrying off the camera, to others that you will think it's easy to burn to a merlin hunting ?.......... . Ow you say if you have a serious merlin to fly at the lark and if not I would not waste time. If very nice and if there were a lark, would cease to fly by a whim or is that no more birds to hunt with merlin ?........ To hunt the lark I do not need to use a premium for that are the torzuelos that fit and are also far more fast and flying to a cousin !........ premiums are for older kids prey than just a lark, here I have not lost much time in birds with merlin premiums, for me it is spoiling them instead of focusing on one rather prey size. As doves, Cholos, and pigeons becazinas dams etc have more merit to me gives a thousand laps on the hunt for a lark. Because if I want to see better tricks I put the bat, so you see the amount of ups and downs tricks to do.
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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby nyctea » 01 Aug 2010, 09:24

Churches will know much of merlins and everything you want, but tell me dove hunting gives a thousand laps that of the lark ... leave me astonished. You return to the same, to underestimate the true flights with difficulty and want to show that the difficulty is in the size, if for you to fly with a female Alauda is wasting time taking pigeons ... If you return to have a serious merlin to fly exclusively Alauda, it is true that the lark merlins hunting seasons are outlined in, once out of that time there is no god that hunt, then after this time I guess you hunt the crested lark, the lark merlins hunt them burn for a minimum of failure is teaching an easy prey, is difficult to get merlins hunt that year after all this chicken and the lark makes hunting more difficult with merlin exists. Surely now you tell me your merlins if they could hunt the lark at any time of year and we really read this post who know they do not believe you.

jjcanales, how difficult is to get leaks, no to that as I do, there is talk of a mirror or do not know, but I never managed to catch them. If you know how you can tell me in private? The plumb is doing pretty well, better than I expected, I've been involved with exhausts d Starling and I have not focused on the hunt for the same act before, but seeing how complicated the starling hunting once they are in the side, the plumb acojonantes began to make attacks to other kinds of birds leaving aside some starlings, could have scored more incapié in the starlings because of these if I get the exhaust you want, but the starling is harder to find than the crested lark and I think to hunt prey such should be exclusively a daily basis with these dams and never fail to teach or catch some more unmerited, that this flight bone squeeze me and you need cold blood and I think he may not got to have, to this I have begun testing the larks and other birds, you see that I can go on counting.

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Re: VS Merlin Aplomado ...

Postby buteo_zahareño » 01 Aug 2010, 14:34

:tonto2::tonto2::tonto2::tonto2::tonto2::tonto2:
Do any kind moderator VS change the title by a "Y"?

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